Shakira ~ Sakinorva Databank

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Shakira

Singer

in Music and Performing Arts

Shakira ~ Sakinorva Databank

Shakira

Singer

Music and Performing Arts

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ESFP 3

ENFP 2

7w6 5

IEE 4

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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2018/05/24 (Thu) 19:08:08 #722
	Yeah, I would even say 7 is second in being the most intuitive enneagram type only to 4 and 5. Sensing 7s either tend to not fit either “sensing” or “Enneagram type 7” too well since it’s hard to relate type 7’s inherent novelty-seeking attitude back to S while “excitement-seeking” may fit the EP side to it. I think S types can be open to experiences in five-factor terms (and vice versa, where a lack of openness to experiences is possible in N types) but in such examples, you’d generally see a display of S/N-ishness that seems to go against what their respective letter would stand for or “spell out” on an extrapolative basis. Openness to experience refers to an intellectual style that I think best suits what NP together stand for, but the strength of that correlation gets lost in translation through how much emphasis is placed on that style and how variable personalities that manifest a certain attitude can be... and also that lexical analysis never really took Myers-Briggs directly into account.

Editing post #722 by strawberry crisis <p>Yeah, I would even say 7 is second in being the most intuitive enneagram type only to 4 and 5. Sensing 7s either tend to not fit either “sensing” or “Enneagram type 7” too well since it’s hard to relate type 7’s inherent novelty-seeking attitude back to S while “excitement-seeking” may fit the EP side to it. I think S types can be open to experiences in five-factor terms (and vice versa, where a lack of openness to experiences is possible in N types) but in such examples, you’d generally see a display of S/N-ishness that seems to go against what their respective letter would stand for or “spell out” on an extrapolative basis. Openness to experience refers to an intellectual style that I think best suits what NP together stand for, but the strength of that correlation gets lost in translation through how much emphasis is placed on that style and how variable personalities that manifest a certain attitude can be... and also that lexical analysis never really took Myers-Briggs directly into account.</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/05/24 (Thu) 17:54:05 #721
If the N trait in general is related to open mindedness or opennes to experience then it would make sense that most 7's are intuitives. But then again i believe you don't have to be a N to be open to experience necessarily . Also same way most people are ambiverts on the i/e scale so they would be somewhere in the middle in the s/n scale. Most people who scream intuitive bias are probably N people who have met some really low opennes people.. Can't say i like people like that much myself.

Editing post #721 by diobono <p> </p> <p>If the N trait in general is related to open mindedness or opennes to experience then it would make sense that most 7's are intuitives. But then again i believe you don't have to be a N to be open to experience necessarily . Also same way most people are ambiverts on the i/e scale so they would be somewhere in the middle in the s/n scale. Most people who scream intuitive bias are probably N people who have met some really low opennes people.. Can't say i like people like that much myself.</p>
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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2018/05/24 (Thu) 17:17:23 #720
	But that’s how Myers-Briggs’ intuition is handled. Being good with aesthetics hasn’t ever been an indicator for sensing in Myers-Briggs terms in any way other than by turning away from what relates those aesthetics to meaning, patterns, ideas, and possibilities (which is actually rare). The sensing approach may honestly very bluntly be described as one that doesn’t focus on what could be but what is, and the things that would constitute are what create “intuitive bias”... but that’s just how MBTI defines intuition. Here’s link to the official Myers-Briggs test. I can’t see her relating to S here at all and many many artists and creators wouldn’t either. Jungian sensation isn’t at all the same and his sensation function can easily fit into Myers-Briggs intuition. @lvna I see that! Ironically her response to a question asking about her greatest deadly sin was gluttony, hahaha. She definitely has that 2-ishness which is better described by Jungian Fe but I like the 7w6 angle to her Enneagram over that... I feel like her optimistic disposition is better described by type 7 than 2 and I’m totally with you that Naranjo’s 7 Sx fits her well

Editing post #720 by strawberry crisis <p>But that’s how Myers-Briggs’ intuition is handled. Being good with aesthetics hasn’t ever been an indicator for sensing in Myers-Briggs terms in any way other than by turning away from what relates those aesthetics to meaning, patterns, ideas, and possibilities (which is actually rare). The sensing approach may honestly very bluntly be described as one that doesn’t focus on what could be but what is, and the things that would constitute are what create “intuitive bias”... but that’s just how MBTI defines intuition. <a href="http://sakinorva.net/test/formq">Here’s link to the official Myers-Briggs test.</a> I can’t see her relating to S here at all and many many artists and creators wouldn’t either. Jungian sensation isn’t at all the same and his sensation function can easily fit into Myers-Briggs intuition.</p> <p> </p> <p>@lvna I see that! Ironically her response to a question asking about her greatest deadly sin was gluttony, hahaha. She definitely has that 2-ishness which is better described by Jungian Fe but I like the 7w6 angle to her Enneagram over that... I feel like her optimistic disposition is better described by type 7 than 2 and I’m totally with you that Naranjo’s 7 Sx fits her well</p>
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	lvna 2018/05/24 (Thu) 15:49:41 #718
	Also is there a chance she's a 7? I feel like she kinda fits Naranjo's 7 Sx description well. "The dreamer, the idealist, the romantic … the SX Seven sees reality through a rose-coloured filter, connected to the possibility in everything. Their enthusiasm and optimism may seem unrealistic or naive as they tend to believe in the good in everything and everyone. They want the world to be more than dreary and dull and may embellish reality and dislike relationships that have become boring and predictable." 7w6 I'd guess.

Editing post #718 by lvna <p>Also is there a chance she's a 7? I feel like she kinda fits Naranjo's 7 Sx description well. "The dreamer, the idealist, the romantic … the SX Seven sees reality through a rose-coloured filter, connected to the possibility in everything. Their enthusiasm and optimism may seem unrealistic or naive as they tend to believe in the good in everything and everyone. They want the world to be more than dreary and dull and may embellish reality and dislike relationships that have become boring and predictable." 7w6 I'd guess.</p>
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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2018/05/24 (Thu) 14:26:12 #716
	I think she might also see herself as an intuitive with quotes like "I'm a closet nerd. I love to study history and visit museums" or in response to what's on her bookshelf: poetry, history, and art books." I get that those things aren't intuitive-exclusive or maybe that's she's playing up a side to her but she does seem too attentive to her creative and explorative side for me to think she's actually sensing.

Editing post #716 by strawberry crisis <p>I think she might also see herself as an intuitive with quotes like <strong>"</strong>I'm a closet nerd. I love to study history and visit museums" or in response to what's on her bookshelf: poetry, history, and art books." I get that those things aren't intuitive-exclusive or maybe that's she's playing up a side to her but she does seem too attentive to her creative and explorative side for me to think she's actually sensing.</p>
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	lvna 2018/05/24 (Thu) 13:51:01 #715
	I don't think she's strongly either. From her quotes it seems like she's the sort of person for whom sensations awake intuitions and vice versa. But she does have some quotes that sound pretty Jung Ne: "I am a person who has many dreams. But as soon as I accomplish one, I move on to the next. That's my fatal, absurd nature. Human beings are slaves to our dreams, and I am, too. Now I think I just want to share my musical proposal in its entire form." "'Elixir' means magical potion, so I wanted to depict the kind of bottle that was used in ancient times, but that looked modern and chic as well. I also wanted it to have a golden tint to evoke the memories of sands and sunsets." (This makes me feel like she's trying to use aesthetics to evoke something that goes beyond them). ...she also has an incredible amount of Jungian Fe and a strong work ethic. I kinda think on any test because she's so creative she would score ENFx. I can kinda see a case for Jung's Fe type and ENFJ being made though.

Editing post #715 by lvna <p>I don't think she's strongly either. From her quotes it seems like she's the sort of person for whom sensations awake intuitions and vice versa. But she does have some quotes that sound pretty Jung Ne: "I am a person who has many dreams. But as soon as I accomplish one, I move on to the next. That's my fatal, absurd nature. Human beings are slaves to our dreams, and I am, too. Now I think I just want to share my musical proposal in its entire form."<br /> <br /> "'Elixir' means magical potion, so I wanted to depict the kind of bottle that was used in ancient times, but that looked modern and chic as well. I also wanted it to have a golden tint to evoke the memories of sands and sunsets." (This makes me feel like she's trying to use aesthetics to evoke something that goes beyond them). <br /> <br /> ...she also has an incredible amount of Jungian Fe and a strong work ethic. I kinda think on any test because she's so creative she would score ENFx. I can kinda see a case for Jung's Fe type and ENFJ being made though.</p>
Replying to post #715 by lvna

date	username	vote
22/05/09 09:56	rock and roll	ESFP
22/03/08 07:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	ESFP
20/06/23 20:18	Lol	ENFP
19/03/13 21:42	thormns	ENFP
18/12/22 12:53	tch	ENFP
18/05/24 01:22	EON	ESFP
18/05/23 08:42	lvna	ENFP
18/05/23 07:57	strawberry crisis	ENFP

date	username	vote
25/08/18 05:24	nicotineseries	ESFP
22/05/09 09:56	rock and roll	ESFP
22/03/08 07:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	ESFP
20/06/24 18:29	tch	ENFP
20/05/09 13:47	Phantom	ENFP

date	username	vote
22/05/09 09:56	rock and roll	7w6
22/03/08 07:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	7w6
18/05/24 05:18	strawberry crisis	7w6
18/05/24 03:50	lvna	7w6

date	username	vote
22/05/09 09:56	rock and roll	IEE
22/03/08 07:37	GIJOEBusta Cap	IEE
20/05/09 13:48	Phantom	IEE
18/08/18 20:21	LVNA	IEE