Jungian Ti type ~ Sakinorva Databank

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Jungian Ti type

Psychological Types

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Jungian Ti type ~ Sakinorva Databank

Jungian Ti type

Psychological Types

Philosophy, Psychology, and Social Sciences

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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/14 (Thu) 04:47:33 #1216
The jung description makes the ti type sound too mystical and images of visionary not to be a ni dom in socionics imo. also he describes him as being inconsistent in his work or something like that. I think that's more of a ili thing to be honest since they only have demonstrative ti. I'm being syncretistic but ili fits more with a 6 wing rather than ili with a 4 wing maybe due to suggestive fi. Man i'm switching over to socionics in this period its more interesting than mbti and function typing is more justifiable lol.

Editing post #1216 by Diobono <p>The jung description makes the ti type sound too mystical and images of visionary not to be a ni dom in socionics imo. also he describes him as being inconsistent in his work or something like that. I think that's more of a ili thing to be honest since they only have demonstrative ti. I'm being syncretistic but ili fits more with a 6 wing rather than ili with a 4 wing maybe due to suggestive fi.</p> <p>Man i'm switching over to socionics in this period its more interesting than mbti and function typing is more justifiable lol.</p>
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	lvna 2018/06/11 (Mon) 17:40:05 #1176
	Here's a list of IDR's INFJ Pure Ti Types: Plato (LII and 1w9) Jung (LII and 5w6) Wittgenstein (LII and 5w4) Chomsky (LII and 1w9) Dante (LII and 1w9) Spinoza (SLI and 5w6) There are a lot of different archetypes here. Sometimes you have a mixed F-N person: Joanna Newsom (Jungian Fe and INFJ by letters) Sufjan Stevens is Ni-Fi or Fi-Ni, probably the latter. De Beauvoir seems legitimately EII, INFJ, 1w9 etc. Then you have a few Ni types on there: Schopenahuer (INTx 5w4 ILI, Ni-Ti) and Lars Von Trier (INTx 4w5 and IxI - pure Ni) It's quite the mix.

Editing post #1176 by lvna <p>Here's a list of IDR's INFJ Pure Ti Types: <br /> <br /> Plato (LII and 1w9) <br /> Jung (LII and 5w6) <br /> Wittgenstein (LII and 5w4) <br /> Chomsky (LII and 1w9) <br /> Dante (LII and 1w9) <br /> Spinoza (SLI and 5w6) <br /> <br /> There are a lot of different archetypes here. Sometimes you have a mixed F-N person: Joanna Newsom (Jungian Fe and INFJ by letters) <br /> <br /> Sufjan Stevens is Ni-Fi or Fi-Ni, probably the latter. <br /> <br /> De Beauvoir seems legitimately EII, INFJ, 1w9 etc. <br /> <br /> Then you have a few Ni types on there: <br /> <br /> Schopenahuer (INTx 5w4 ILI, Ni-Ti) and Lars Von Trier (INTx 4w5 and IxI - pure Ni)<br /> <br /> It's quite the mix. </p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/11 (Mon) 16:24:55 #1175
Socionics I lean LII for, although it's a close call. Socionics does seem to take that next step in "J-ness" for its LII, which leads to something that is more like a hybrid between 5w6 and 1w9 without as much of a prevailing subjective factor as Jung's more 5w4-ish Ti. I feel like IDR INTP is very similar to Socionics LII, although yes people like Hegel are considered LII in Socionics yet INTJ in IDRlabs. I also love that phrase "ivory tower thinker".

Editing post #1175 by edza <p>Socionics I lean LII for, although it's a close call. Socionics does seem to take that next step in "J-ness" for its LII, which leads to something that is more like a hybrid between 5w6 and 1w9 without as much of a prevailing subjective factor as Jung's more 5w4-ish Ti. I feel like IDR INTP is very similar to Socionics LII, although yes people like Hegel are considered LII in Socionics yet INTJ in IDRlabs. I also love that phrase "ivory tower thinker".</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/11 (Mon) 16:18:01 #1174
I do agree with most of what Diabono said. It's my thought that Ti type aligns more with MBTI J, mainly because the Ti type, while inherently subjective, will use that subjective vision as a guiding force to synthesize "reasoned judgment" which could be somewhat of a personal code which is used to structure one's life. I don't think his Ti type is nearly as obviously "J" as the Te counterpart, but it still has a lot of the same elements involved. It is not interested in free exploration as much as following a singular visionary pathway. For IDRlabs I feel like I need to bring up not only INTP and INTJ but also INFJ of all things. They seem to have categorized a prioritized subjective factor/ primordial vision as "Ni" a lot of times, while Jung would consider that more of an "introvert" thing, and in the case of the Ti type, subjective thought constructions are the result. So what would be considered in Jung as basically: Subjective factor -> T = Ti type would in IDRlabs be converted to: Ni -> Ti = INFJ Which is why a lot of the more subjective philosophers who would be clear Ti types in Jung end up getting typed as INFJ if their subjective factor is overwhelming. It's actually the Ti types that balance their Ti out with little Te and grounding their subjectivity a bit that tend to land the INTP typing from IDRlabs. So while I may be reaching a little bit here, I think there's a case to be made for INFJ, at least in the sense of the purest Ti types getting typed as INFJ in IDRlabs, although they do also list people as INFJ who are not that. So the INFJ category over there ends up being an inconsistent hodgepodge of different archetypes, one of which resembles Jung's pure Ti type. Their INTJ seems about equal parts Ti and Te, with a few exceptions, which is why I would rank it below both INFJ and INTP.

Editing post #1174 by edza <p>I do agree with most of what Diabono said. It's my thought that Ti type aligns more with MBTI J, mainly because the Ti type, while inherently subjective, will use that subjective vision as a guiding force to synthesize "reasoned judgment" which could be somewhat of a personal code which is used to structure one's life. I don't think his Ti type is nearly as obviously "J" as the Te counterpart, but it still has a lot of the same elements involved. It is not interested in free exploration as much as following a singular visionary pathway.</p> <p>For IDRlabs I feel like I need to bring up not only INTP and INTJ but also INFJ of all things. They seem to have categorized a prioritized subjective factor/ primordial vision as "Ni" a lot of times, while Jung would consider that more of an "introvert" thing, and in the case of the Ti type, subjective thought constructions are the result. So what would be considered in Jung as basically:<br /> Subjective factor -> T = Ti type</p> <p>would in IDRlabs be converted to:<br /> Ni -> Ti = INFJ</p> <p>Which is why a lot of the more subjective philosophers who would be clear Ti types in Jung end up getting typed as INFJ if their subjective factor is overwhelming.</p> <p>It's actually the Ti types that balance their Ti out with little Te and grounding their subjectivity a bit that tend to land the INTP typing from IDRlabs.</p> <p>So while I may be reaching a little bit here, I think there's a case to be made for INFJ, at least in the sense of the purest Ti types getting typed as INFJ in IDRlabs, although they do also list people as INFJ who are not that. So the INFJ category over there ends up being an inconsistent hodgepodge of different archetypes, one of which resembles Jung's pure Ti type.</p> <p>Their INTJ seems about equal parts Ti and Te, with a few exceptions, which is why I would rank it below both INFJ and INTP.</b>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/11 (Mon) 15:25:22 #1171
Also in IDR the intps are the real ivory tower thinkers, the extremely abstract and highly metaphysical sort of thinkers which are basically the jungian Ti type. But Idr also puts Hegel as Intj, and he is probably the most ivory tower type thinker in all of fucking history lol. They also put Heraclitus, known as "the obscure" because he is one of the most cryptic philosophers in general . So i don't think the sort of person Jung describes is necessarily an intp in IDR. To summarise i think intp and intj are generally on the same level in terms of mental wankery so both could fit into the jungian Ti type.

Editing post #1171 by Diobono <p>Also in IDR the intps are the real ivory tower thinkers, the extremely abstract and highly metaphysical sort of thinkers which are basically the jungian Ti type. But Idr also puts Hegel as Intj, and he is probably the most ivory tower type thinker in all of fucking history lol. They also put Heraclitus, known as "the obscure" because he is one of the most cryptic philosophers in general . So i don't think the sort of person Jung describes is necessarily an intp in IDR. </p> <p>To summarise i think intp and intj are generally on the same level in terms of mental wankery so both could fit into the jungian Ti type.</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/11 (Mon) 15:10:04 #1170
I'm making these entries because Psychological Types is a work of Practical Psychology as Jung says in the Foreword and so his jungian functions descriptions are derived from his interactions with his patients and not from pure theory. As he says it's "compounded by numberless impressions and experiences in the practice of Psychiatry". So it's interesting to me to understand what the pure function types of jung would translate into by using Mbti and the new functions descriptions. Jungian Ti type is obviously a mish mash of various intx 5w4 maybe 5w6. But i'd go with 5w4 and also Ili because he does not have the consistency of a 5w6 and his ideas are too personalized and not systematic to be lii. He also fits very well with fi as a suggestive function and he sounds sort of sexual instinct in how he has "primitive affects" and has a weak spot for intimacy, obviously sp first though In Idr vote he would probably be intp considering functionally how he puts the theory and "subjective factor" above factual data. But tbh i disagree with the idr intj and don't see why a Ni dominant would not be a theory first, facts later even going by their functions descriptions.

Editing post #1170 by Diobono <p>I'm making these entries because Psychological Types is a work of Practical Psychology as Jung says in the Foreword and so his jungian functions descriptions are derived from his interactions with his patients and not from pure theory. </p> <p>As he says it's "compounded by numberless impressions and experiences in the practice of Psychiatry". So it's interesting to me to understand what the pure function types of jung would translate into by using Mbti and the new functions descriptions. </p> <p>Jungian Ti type is obviously a mish mash of various intx 5w4 maybe 5w6. But i'd go with 5w4 and also Ili because he does not have the consistency of a 5w6 and his ideas are too personalized and not systematic to be lii. He also fits very well with fi as a suggestive function and he sounds sort of sexual instinct in how he has "primitive affects" and has a weak spot for intimacy, obviously sp first though</p> <p>In Idr vote he would probably be intp considering functionally how he puts the theory and "subjective factor" above factual data. But tbh i disagree with the idr intj and don't see why a Ni dominant would not be a theory first, facts later even going by their functions descriptions.</p>
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date	username	vote
25/08/06 18:04	Woll Smoth	INT
25/07/26 14:57	nicotineseries	INTP
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	INTJ
20/12/19 06:42	Freaky_sage	INTJ
19/08/22 23:41	Tman	ITP
19/02/05 22:14	Taco110	INTJ
18/06/15 04:11	EON	INTJ
18/06/11 05:32	lvna	INTJ
18/06/11 04:18	edza	INTJ
18/06/11 02:25	Diobono	INTJ

date	username	vote
25/07/26 14:57	nicotineseries	INFJ
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	INTP
22/04/08 03:46	Woll Smoth	INFJ
21/08/20 12:52	Lawless	INTP
19/02/05 22:17	Taco110	INFJ
18/06/11 05:32	lvna	INFJ
18/06/11 04:18	edza	INFJ
19/05/21 09:36	DIobono	INFJ

date	username	vote
25/07/26 14:58	nicotineseries	5w4
25/07/04 22:13	Woll Smoth	5w4
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	5w6
21/08/20 12:52	Lawless	5w6
20/12/19 06:42	Freaky_sage	5w6
19/10/25 11:52	Taco110	5w6
19/10/25 12:41	Thyssen	5w6
19/02/06 14:47	tman	5w6
18/06/11 04:25	edza	5w4
18/06/11 02:23	Diobono	5w4

date	username	vote
25/07/26 15:23	nicotineseries	sp/sx
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	sp/sx
21/08/20 12:52	Lawless	sp/so
20/12/19 06:42	Freaky_sage	sp/sx
19/10/25 11:52	Taco110	sp/sx
19/08/22 23:22	Tman	sp/sx
18/06/11 02:23	Diobono	sp/sx

date	username	vote
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	514
19/08/22 23:22	Tman	593

date	username	vote
25/07/26 14:57	nicotineseries	LII
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	LII
22/03/28 03:26	Woll Smoth	LII
21/08/20 12:52	Lawless	LII
20/12/19 06:42	Freaky_sage	LII
19/10/25 11:52	Taco110	LII
18/08/23 11:03	switchblades	LII
18/06/13 01:18	Zeego	LII
18/06/11 05:32	lvna	LII
18/06/11 04:25	edza	LII
18/06/11 03:11	Diobono	ILI

date	username	vote
24/12/28 16:28	gustyd	LVEF