Jordan Peterson ~ Sakinorva Databank

Jordan Peterson

Psychologist

Philosophy, Psychology, and Social Sciences

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INFJ 14

INTP 2

ESTJ 1

ENFJ 1

ENTJ 1

ISFJ 1

1w2 19

1w9 5

5w4 3

5w6 2

2w1 1

so/sp 18

sp/so 1

LII 11

LIE 7

EII 2

ESI 2

EIE 1

LEVF 4

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	tman INTP 5w4/1w9/4w5 Sx/Sp ILI 2019/07/05 (Fri) 17:25:52 #6572
	He's not scorates and most typical SJWs are NFJs. Peterson ins't a bring of truth he's a scared little boy whining about things he dons't understand. He sad and scared little man. Plus his prensation is completly difrent from that of Socrates. He's not some rabble roser, he's genraly very soft spoken, and EXTREMLY carful with his words, so even for your reductive sterytopes, ENTP still dosn't make sense.

Editing post #6572 by tman <p>He's not scorates and most typical SJWs are NFJs. Peterson ins't a bring of truth he's a scared little boy whining about things he dons't understand. He sad and scared little man. Plus his prensation is completly difrent from that of Socrates. He's not some rabble roser, he's genraly very soft spoken, and EXTREMLY carful with his words, so even for your reductive sterytopes, ENTP still dosn't make sense.</p>
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	jt ISFJ 1 <3 fg 2019/07/05 (Fri) 07:27:41 #6570
	reminds me of Socrates. Though his messages seem very far-reaching. The SJWs (ESFJs I think) consider him dangerous because like how Socrates (ENTP) was basically encouraging NTs and SPs to analyze, looking past the lies the ESFJ/ISFJ created. Thats why I think Jordan is ENTP - his Ti is far stronger than Fe but both are used fairly often. An INFJ would in contrast be involved in many humanitarian projects. Don't get me wrong - he really does have an amazing cause - able to connect to many of his viewers emotionally even. So INFJ does make sense - though I think his messages are rather unfiltered and Jordan rarely bothers trying to delete his youtube videos - so totally extroverted and maybe even perceiving

Editing post #6570 by jt <p>reminds me of Socrates. Though his messages seem very far-reaching. The SJWs (ESFJs I think) consider him dangerous because like how Socrates (ENTP) was basically encouraging NTs and SPs to analyze, looking past the lies the ESFJ/ISFJ created. Thats why I think Jordan is ENTP - his Ti is far stronger than Fe but both are used fairly often.</p> <p>An INFJ would in contrast be involved in many humanitarian projects. Don't get me wrong - he really does have an amazing cause - able to connect to many of his viewers emotionally even. So INFJ does make sense - though I think his messages are rather unfiltered and Jordan rarely bothers trying to delete his youtube videos - so totally extroverted and maybe even perceiving</p>
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	typometrics.tumblr INFJ 4w5 (459) sp/sx EII 2019/06/23 (Sun) 01:16:52 #6476
	I'm not sure he would be as introverted as people are making him out to be as LII. His Big Five results are a testament to that. To my knowledge, he also seems quite Beta(lobsters!). Maybe EIE. I could see polr Si and Ti as suggestive. Extroversion (Enthusiasm): 75-80 Extroversion (Assertiveness): 99 Openness to Experience (Intellect): 99 Openness to Experience (Openness): 95 Agreeableness (Compassion): 75-80 Agreeableness (Politeness): 30-40 Conscientiousness (Industriousness): 99 Conscientiousness (Orderliness): 70-75 Neuroticism (Withdrawal): Low Neuroticism (Volatility): Quite High https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA

Editing post #6476 by typometrics.tumblr <p>I'm not sure he would be as introverted as people are making him out to be as LII. His Big Five results are a testament to that. To my knowledge, he also seems quite Beta(lobsters!). Maybe EIE. I could see polr Si and Ti as suggestive.</p> <p>Extroversion (Enthusiasm): 75-80<br /> Extroversion (Assertiveness): 99<br /> Openness to Experience (Intellect): 99<br /> Openness to Experience (Openness): 95<br /> Agreeableness (Compassion): 75-80<br /> Agreeableness (Politeness): 30-40<br /> Conscientiousness (Industriousness): 99<br /> Conscientiousness (Orderliness): 70-75<br /> Neuroticism (Withdrawal): <em>Low</em><br /> Neuroticism (Volatility): <em>Quite High</em></p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA">https://youtu.be/C2jCv9A3AuA </a></p> <p> </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/12/16 (Sun) 19:25:18 #4293
TiNe for an LII is about finding the underlying laws and principles for everything, which he does on a near constant basis. As a psychologist it's his career in relation to human behavior and on top of that he routinely delves into the theological, trying to find the core nature of stories throughout all of history, their message and their symbolic relation to human behavior and other religions. A lot of his pre-mainstream time was spent on this. Post-fame he's published a book with perspective on how to think about life, treat yourself and be precise in debate, to help people avoid the common mistakes he sees them make. I very quickly skimmed through it and saw an entire chapter dedicated to pursuing "what's important" over what's "expedient". His idea of "being productive" and "getting your life on track" is cleaning your room and fixing something in your environment, as if that took him his entire life to figure out. He openly despises strong (emotional) reactions not just in others but also himself, the only strong reaction he has towards anything is towards people who try to impose on him by force or appeals to emotion, which is when he shuts down into stubborn denial and antagonization. jfl at FiSe or thinking he values Te at all, dude would cringe if he read any of their descriptions.

Editing post #4293 by Teru Mikami <p>TiNe for an LII is about finding the underlying laws and principles for everything, which he does on a near constant basis. As a psychologist it's his career in relation to human behavior and on top of that he routinely delves into the theological, trying to find the core nature of stories throughout all of history, their message and their symbolic relation to human behavior and other religions. A lot of his pre-mainstream time was spent on this. Post-fame he's published a book with perspective on how to think about life, treat yourself and be precise in debate, to help people avoid the common mistakes he sees them make. I very quickly skimmed through it and saw an entire chapter dedicated to pursuing "what's important" over what's "expedient". His idea of "being productive" and "getting your life on track" is cleaning your room and fixing something in your environment, as if that took him his entire life to figure out. He openly despises strong (emotional) reactions not just in others but also himself, the only strong reaction he has towards anything is towards people who try to impose on him by force or appeals to emotion, which is when he shuts down into stubborn denial and antagonization. jfl at FiSe or thinking he values Te at all, dude would cringe if he read any of their descriptions.</p>
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socjonikamas intj 1w5 ILI 2018/12/16 (Sun) 10:01:58 #4287
I don't understand why people type him as LII. He is definitely not an alpha quadra member. First of all he isn't democratic at all, he constantly talks about social hierarchies which is characteristic trait of aristocratic types. He is also objectivist. His Ti is very weak and undervalued because he often doesn't care about it at all and reverts to Te (we can see this as he cares more about usefulness than logic, and because his Ti is not values he often contradicts himself and isn't precise in his speech). He is also more Fi as he often talks about relationships between people in hierarchies and downplays emotions (unvalued Fe). He is Ni user which is very evident and doesn't need an explanation. Se user because power, "slaying dragons", hierarchies and so on. In conclusion definitely not an alpha quadra. He is ethical and maybe sensory with developed intuition (or intuitive with underdeveloped logic which I think is correct however ethical type is more probable)

Editing post #4287 by socjonikamas <p>I don't understand why people type him as LII. He is definitely not an alpha quadra member. First of all he isn't democratic at all, he constantly talks about social hierarchies which is characteristic trait of aristocratic types. He is also objectivist. His Ti is very weak and undervalued because he often doesn't care about it at all and reverts to Te (we can see this as he cares more about usefulness than logic, and because his Ti is not values he often contradicts himself and isn't precise in his speech). He is also more Fi as he often talks about relationships between people in hierarchies and downplays emotions (unvalued Fe). He is Ni user which is very evident and doesn't need an explanation. Se user because power, "slaying dragons", hierarchies and so on. In conclusion definitely not an alpha quadra. He is ethical and maybe sensory with developed intuition (or intuitive with underdeveloped logic which I think is correct however ethical type is more probable)</p>
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	fg xxTJ 6w5 Beta ST 2018/08/25 (Sat) 12:50:14 #3015
	fiddlediddle, you just type almost every character (real or fictionnal) that you like as INFJ. and then you are saying bullshit, twist function for make them tell what you want for appuying your views. you would be able to type anything as INFJ if you wanted. how we are supposed to trust your judgment while you attribute the same type to character that have not any characteristic in common outside your love for them.

Editing post #3015 by fg <p>fiddlediddle, you just type almost every character (real or fictionnal) that you like as INFJ. and then you are saying bullshit, twist function for make them tell what you want for appuying your views. you would be able to type anything as INFJ if you wanted. how we are supposed to trust your judgment while you attribute the same type to character that have not any characteristic in common outside your love for them.</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/10 (Sun) 07:25:57 #1156
Functions wise this guy really can't be a Te dom at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=314&v=iIfLTQAKKfg He clearly starts from some kind of overarching bonkers theory on what these snakes represents and then goes to the facts rather than the other way around. He does this alot in his lectures. (I'm going by the idr labs but also jungian way of ti= deductive and te=deductive)

Editing post #1156 by Diobono <p>Functions wise this guy really can't be a Te dom at all https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=314&v=iIfLTQAKKfg</p> <p>He clearly starts from some kind of overarching bonkers theory on what these snakes represents and then goes to the facts rather than the other way around. He does this alot in his lectures. (I'm going by the idr labs but also jungian way of ti= deductive and te=deductive)</p>
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	lvna 2018/06/08 (Fri) 18:07:02 #1119
	How do you explain "motivations, desires, fears" as distinct, and unrelated to the vibe someone produces? I would like to see the metaphysical locus of the self to which you are referring and how it dislodges itself from expressing itself through verbal and behavioral means. The isolated avatar, of course, must lurk within. Correct?

Editing post #1119 by lvna <p>How do you explain "motivations, desires, fears" as distinct, and unrelated to the vibe someone produces? I would like to see the metaphysical locus of the self to which you are referring and how it dislodges itself from expressing itself through verbal and behavioral means. <em>The isolated avatar, of course, must lurk within.</em> Correct? </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/08 (Fri) 17:33:29 #1116
type 5 integrates to 8 ("want to be capable and competent") which already could explain a lot, "getting your act together" is "integration" and isn't very any type but type 1 clings obsessively to "keeping their act together" and substance abuse and self-neglect should be a serious counter-argument, and doesn't he talk all the time about having autoimmune disease or food allergy making him pretty strong on the whole lifestyle thing (plus isn't this and "wanting approval from others" more related to instinctual variants since a lot of 5s want to be seen as "the smartest person in the room")? Obviously any type can "like knowledge" but claiming your entire life revolves around it and turning yourself into an analytical figure that exposes "hierarchies" and how the world works is actually defined as type 5's key motivation, and with your "very x type" you're typing him based off the vibes you get rather than motivations, desires, fears, (dis)integration etc which is what should be ruled out first rather than "what stereotype does he fit most" and "which types would hate him" (that's very collectivist actually)

Editing post #1116 by Teru Mikami <p>type 5 integrates to 8 ("want to be capable and competent") which already could explain a lot, "getting your act together" is "integration" and isn't very any type but type 1 clings obsessively to "keeping their act together" and substance abuse and self-neglect should be a serious counter-argument, and doesn't he talk all the time about having autoimmune disease or food allergy making him pretty strong on the whole lifestyle thing (plus isn't this and "wanting approval from others" more related to instinctual variants since a lot of 5s want to be seen as "the smartest person in the room")? Obviously any type can "like knowledge" but claiming your entire life revolves around it and turning yourself into an analytical figure that exposes "hierarchies" and how the world works is actually defined as type 5's key motivation, and with your "very x type" you're typing him based off the vibes you get rather than motivations, desires, fears, (dis)integration etc which is what should be ruled out first rather than "what stereotype does he fit most" and "which types would hate him" (that's very collectivist actually)</p>
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	lvna 2018/06/08 (Fri) 15:41:57 #1115
	Lol in this video no only is he entirely an open book, which kinda counters everything five, but he consistently talks about "getting his act together," requiring a certain amount of discipline, accomplishing more research than anyone else etc. He definitely has a lot of three as well, but what you really notice throughout his videos is this desire to use a mix of empiricism and personal hunch to devise a healthy and balanced lifestyle. In today's age, having a "strong drive for knowledge" can easily be a non-five concern. Threes and ones are likely to endorse empirical accounts of knowledge, convincing themselves that their enslavement to learning swaths of information that has been previously endorsed as veridical and profound will deliver them to a smarter, more orderly and succesful version of themselves. Also if he were a 5, he would obviously be 5w6. He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic...in fact it's incredibly collectivist. He seems to require the validation of others and the spread of knowledge of his objectively valuable path to validate it to himself. It's like he wants to be some sort of textbook self-actualized individual and support to society and others as a result. If you wanna categorize that as 5w6, go ahead, but it's also very 1w2. Anyone with a lot of four would probably loathe this dude and his preachy ideals which endorse a specific path of self actualization. It's a threat to individuality. He's like some sort of extraverted Kant who's used psychology to endorse the Kingdom of Ends.

Editing post #1115 by lvna <p>Lol in this video no only is he entirely an open book, which kinda counters everything five, but he consistently talks about "getting his act together," requiring a certain amount of discipline, accomplishing more research than anyone else etc. He definitely has a lot of three as well, but what you really notice throughout his videos is this desire to use a mix of empiricism and personal hunch to devise a healthy and balanced lifestyle. In today's age, having a "strong drive for knowledge" can easily be a non-five concern. Threes and ones are likely to endorse empirical accounts of knowledge, convincing themselves that their enslavement to learning swaths of information that has been previously endorsed as veridical and profound will deliver them to a smarter, more orderly and succesful version of themselves. Also if he were a 5, he would obviously be 5w6. He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic...in fact it's incredibly collectivist. He seems to require the validation of others and the spread of knowledge of his objectively valuable path to validate it to himself. It's like he wants to be some sort of textbook self-actualized individual and support to society and others as a result. If you wanna categorize that as 5w6, go ahead, but it's also very 1w2. Anyone with a lot of four would probably loathe this dude and his preachy ideals which endorse a specific path of self actualization. It's a threat to individuality. He's like some sort of extraverted Kant who's used psychology to endorse the Kingdom of Ends. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/08 (Fri) 05:33:39 #1114
I've linked this video before on the previous site, he explains his "basic motivations" along with how he acted when he deemed himself "unhealthy", type 1s become obsessively rigid and hard on themselves the more unhealthy they get and I've never heard him mention a drive to "improve things" outside of him as opposed to self-actualization and having a strong drive for knowledge

Editing post #1114 by Teru Mikami <p>I've linked <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmTHC3laOR0">this video</a> before on the previous site, he explains his "basic motivations" along with how he acted when he deemed himself "unhealthy", type 1s become obsessively rigid and hard on themselves the more unhealthy they get and I've never heard him mention a drive to "improve things" outside of him as opposed to self-actualization and having a strong drive for knowledge</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/05 (Tue) 17:34:37 #1058
	Btw, I'm fine with not convincing anyone. I'm just saying what I believe it's true. Sometimes I will be right and others wrong. I don't get any pleasure on imposing what I think. I will just say that in my understanding of Ni and Ti he looks more Ni. That understanding might change as it did in the past but it is what is now. I'm cool with you defending he is an INTP even if I don't believe it because the time we all agree we will either too right or too fucked up. And it is most likely to be the latter.

Editing post #1058 by Blank <p>Btw, I'm fine with not convincing anyone. I'm just saying what I believe it's true. Sometimes I will be right and others wrong. I don't get any pleasure on imposing what I think. I will just say that in my understanding of Ni and Ti he looks more Ni. That understanding might change as it did in the past but it is what is now. I'm cool with you defending he is an INTP even if I don't believe it because the time we all agree we will either too right or too fucked up. And it is most likely to be the latter.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/05 (Tue) 17:33:57 #1057
thing I'm saying is that even outside of lectures he has little to no Fe (or F) traits and that in functions you can't be Ti tertiary when you're not Fe auxiliary (or that he would even be lecturing about the topics he lectures about or make very personal choices such as refusing to accept gender pronouns and actively rebelling against it but those are really specific things which can be related to a lot more than just letters so no thanks but he's still not F or Fe in any way)

Editing post #1057 by Teru Mikami <p>thing I'm saying is that even outside of lectures he has little to no Fe (or F) traits and that in functions you can't be Ti tertiary when you're not Fe auxiliary (or that he would even be lecturing about the topics he lectures about or make very personal choices such as refusing to accept gender pronouns and actively rebelling against it but those are really specific things which can be related to a lot more than just letters so no thanks but he's still not F or Fe in any way)</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/05 (Tue) 17:15:46 #1048
	When you watch Jordan Peterson in a conference he isn't interacting with the people, he is expressing his truth. So his focus is probably more about what he is talking than other people that play no part. So he is going to use both introverts functions. Ni per se is enough to bring endless debates on whether some characters are using Ti or Ni, imagine that with the help of terciary Ti. But personally, I really didn't see Ti the first thing but Ni, but that was a first impression.

Editing post #1048 by Blank <p>When you watch Jordan Peterson in a conference he isn't interacting with the people, he is expressing his truth. So his focus is probably more about what he is talking than other people that play no part. So he is going to use both introverts functions.</p> <p>Ni per se is enough to bring endless debates on whether some characters are using Ti or Ni, imagine that with the help of terciary Ti. But personally, I really didn't see Ti the first thing but Ni, but that was a first impression.</p>
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Nyx INTP 5w4 593 Sx/Sp 2018/06/05 (Tue) 17:14:43 #1047
I have to disagree with several facts that have been brought to light in this conversation. When discussing the proper stack of MBTI (in an) INTP would be low in any extraverted judging function. Not only would enneagram 5 need to integrate to enneagram 8 for the average user to show progress in this regard, the majority would argue against any of that actually occurring when referencing a common INFJ or any other Fe user. It goes past all doubts that anyone could start looping or disintegrating their function and enneagram at any point of their life, so several arguments taking this into account would have to be made to accurately gauge the subject on the points you want to make.

Editing post #1047 by Nyx <p>I have to disagree with several facts that have been brought to light in this conversation. When discussing the proper stack of MBTI (in an) INTP would be low in any extraverted judging function. Not only would enneagram 5 need to integrate to enneagram 8 for the average user to show progress in this regard, the majority would argue against any of that actually occurring when referencing a common INFJ or any other Fe user.<br /> <br /> It goes past all doubts that anyone could start looping or disintegrating their function and enneagram at any point of their life, so several arguments taking this into account would have to be made to accurately gauge the subject on the points you want to make. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/05 (Tue) 16:58:25 #1044
hahahah first thing i hear him saying is that it's the dude's own fault for having his wife cheat on him behind his back and that it's his problem that he killed himself, he's absolutely F @blank no, "INFJs who look like INTPs" are actually INTPs, if you're arguing in stacks and they don't fit into Fe (which is their primary extraverted function and is supposed to be the function they use to interact with the world) more than they do Ti they don't have it as their auxiliary, the only people this ever happens to are on online forums, which are also the places people come up with their own definitions, criteria and circle-jerked stereotypes

Editing post #1044 by Teru Mikami <p>hahahah first thing i hear him saying is that it's the dude's own fault for having his wife cheat on him behind his back and that it's his problem that he killed himself, he's absolutely F</p> <p> </p> <p>@blank no, "INFJs who look like INTPs" are actually INTPs, if you're arguing in stacks and they don't fit into Fe (which is their primary extraverted function and is supposed to be the function they use to interact with the world) more than they do Ti they don't have it as their auxiliary, the only people this ever happens to are on online forums, which are also the places people come up with their own definitions, criteria and circle-jerked stereotypes</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/05 (Tue) 16:45:57 #1041
	What someone says it is Ti for others is Ni. They can look very similar. I wil disagree with that. Not doble checking is arrogance. Double checking is accuracy. 10 times checking the same thing, that's insecurity. It is not like we make up our theories, something is unoviodable or everyone in this site will agree on everything but a lot come from IDRlabs or related sources. In my experience on MBTI by functions a ton of INFJs look as INTPs and it has to do with Ni and terciary Ti.

Editing post #1041 by Blank <p>What someone says it is Ti for others is Ni. They can look very similar.</p> <p>I wil disagree with that. Not doble checking is arrogance. Double checking is accuracy. 10 times checking the same thing, that's insecurity.</p> <p>It is not like we make up our theories, something is unoviodable or everyone in this site will agree on everything but a lot come from IDRlabs or related sources. In my experience on MBTI by functions a ton of INFJs look as INTPs and it has to do with Ni and terciary Ti. </p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/05 (Tue) 16:38:53 #1040
I meant that usually people who have Ti or Te higher in the stack are more confident in their reasoning while in some debates he doesn't appear like that alot. Putting "social order above truth" is how i interpret his "truth serves life" thing which is basically equal to disregarding truth to make it fit for societal purposes such as the wellbeing of individuals, which he cares alot about and his whole thing with hiding the bitter truths in order to protect the health of people (in the video at min 17 or so such as in the wife cheating on the man is actually a thing you are not supposed to tell to preserve his wellbeing) is a very feelerish thing. Being a little syncretistic but that is basically in socionics putting ethics above logic which indicates being a feeler.

Editing post #1040 by diobono <p>I meant that usually people who have Ti or Te higher in the stack are more confident in their reasoning while in some debates he doesn't appear like that alot.</p> <p> Putting "social order above truth" is how i interpret his "truth serves life" thing which is basically equal to disregarding truth to make it fit for societal purposes such as the wellbeing of individuals, which he cares alot about and his whole thing with hiding the bitter truths in order to protect the health of people (in the video at min 17 or so such as in the wife cheating on the man is actually a thing you are not supposed to tell to preserve his wellbeing) is a very feelerish thing. Being a little syncretistic but that is basically in socionics putting ethics above logic which indicates being a feeler. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/05 (Tue) 16:36:53 #1038
you guys are ignoring Fe and making up your own function definitions just so you can paste "tertiary Ti" on him even though it's the first thing you notice, Ti is defined as "analytical, deductive, subjective" and tries to reduce things to their principles, Fe is about harmony, connection and the feelings of the people around you, it's "motherly" and dislikes conflict, charisma and "having a way with words" are skills, not criteria for functions

Editing post #1038 by Teru Mikami <p>you guys are ignoring Fe and making up your own function definitions just so you can paste "tertiary Ti" on him even though it's the first thing you notice, Ti is defined as "analytical, deductive, subjective" and tries to reduce things to their principles, Fe is about harmony, connection and the feelings of the people around you, it's "motherly" and dislikes conflict, charisma and "having a way with words" are skills, not criteria for functions</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/05 (Tue) 16:24:03 #1035
	Diobono, I agree with not being a Te user. I thought it because of his argumentativeness but everything he says is very theorical. It could indicate Ti but I agree on it not being his strongest function as Ti likes simplicity and questioning anything, even it self. Then I fancied the idea of him both being an extrovert in B5 (sorry for bringing back that boring topic) and an introvert in MBTI with being a secondary Fe user (which helps with his charisma and his way with words) but having a dominant introvert function. In functions, terciary Ti users with Ni dom or Si dom behave very much like Thinkers even if they are Feelers. To be honest, while I could see a Si dom like you voted (and so I did here in the beginning), as they tend to become specialists on anything I had to go with Ni because of how abstract everything he says tend to be, which I guess could be just his Si using his knowledge of Jung (if Jung was an INFJ). So not sure about it.

Editing post #1035 by Blank <p>Diobono, I agree with not being a Te user. I thought it because of his argumentativeness but everything he says is very theorical. It could indicate Ti but I agree on it not being his strongest function as Ti likes simplicity and questioning anything, even it self. Then I fancied the idea of him both being an extrovert in B5 (sorry for bringing back that boring topic) and an introvert in MBTI with being a secondary Fe user (which helps with his charisma and his way with words) but having a dominant introvert function.</p> <p>In functions, terciary Ti users with Ni dom or Si dom behave very much like Thinkers even if they are Feelers.</p> <p>To be honest, while I could see a Si dom like you voted (and so I did here in the beginning), as they tend to become specialists on anything I had to go with Ni because of how abstract everything he says tend to be, which I guess could be just his Si using his knowledge of Jung (if Jung was an INFJ). So not sure about it. </p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/05 (Tue) 15:55:21 #1031
Tbh It seems like He only appears to be a strong T- user in fact it seems youtube people are having a field day dissecting his arguments ( which given is popularity is a given but still) and when he stands up for debate against people like Dillahunty and Sam Harris who i assume are stronger thinking users he usually falters a little bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63dGW7UYwok. Also i don't think he is a Te user because he uses "made up" (such as as "newtonian" and "darwinian" which are not existing truth teories) neologisms which is more of a Ti trait while a Te user would probably put himself in line with the current backed up truth theories such as correspondence, etc etc. "I don't think that facts are necessarily true." doesn't scream Te to me. Or even strong Ti to be honest so i think he is a tertiary or inferior ti user because he puts the social order above truth, basically "truth serves life" . Now i have a hard time imagining an intp holding that position given they are basically truth seekers. .Anyway i have to admit this guy is definitely interesting as a person otherwise he wouldn't have so many comments.

Editing post #1031 by diobono <p>Tbh It seems like He only appears to be a strong T- user in fact it seems youtube people are having a field day dissecting his arguments ( which given is popularity is a given but still) and when he stands up for debate against people like Dillahunty and Sam Harris who i assume are stronger thinking users he usually falters a little bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63dGW7UYwok.</p> <p>Also i don't think he is a Te user because he uses "made up" (such as as "newtonian" and "darwinian" which are not existing truth teories) neologisms which is more of a Ti trait while a Te user would probably put himself in line with the current backed up truth theories such as correspondence, etc etc. </p> <p>"I don't think that facts are necessarily true." doesn't scream Te to me. Or even strong Ti to be honest so i think he is a tertiary or inferior ti user because he puts the social order above truth, basically "truth serves life" . Now i have a hard time imagining an intp holding that position given they are basically truth seekers. </p> <p>.Anyway i have to admit this guy is definitely interesting as a person otherwise he wouldn't have so many comments. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/05 (Tue) 11:28:01 #1026
and if you would paste a function onto him it should be Ti, you can really see how he has to have everything make sense to him on a subjective level (especially on topics like religion and god), he doesn't show much of a preference for facts or organisation and I don't think having to dig through a book makes for a good argument

Editing post #1026 by Teru Mikami <p>and if you would paste a function onto him it should be Ti, you can really see how he has to have everything make sense to him on a subjective level (especially on topics like <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPIh1xQiuI8&ab_channel=SortingMyselfOut">religion and god</a>), he doesn't show much of a preference for facts or organisation and I don't think having to dig through a book makes for a good argument</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/04 (Mon) 15:02:44 #1014
I guess it'd be best to see what's on his actual test but you have to pay for that. I'm mainly assuming, potentially incorrectly, that with his background in data and academia, that he'd not deviate too much from traditional Big 5 "extraversion" with his two facet model, regardless of the titles he gave to his facets. Yes I don't think that assertiveness or activity are all that strongly linked to MBTI I/E and you could come up with examples of people who are assertive and active who seem clearly introverted (let's say Elon Musk). I'm just unconvinced that Peterson is one of those people. It'd help so much to see what is actually on the test though.

Editing post #1014 by edza <p>I guess it'd be best to see what's on his actual test but you have to pay for that. I'm mainly assuming, potentially incorrectly, that with his background in data and academia, that he'd not deviate too much from traditional Big 5 "extraversion" with his two facet model, regardless of the titles he gave to his facets.</p> <p>Yes I don't think that assertiveness or activity are all that strongly linked to MBTI I/E and you could come up with examples of people who are assertive and active who seem clearly introverted (let's say Elon Musk). I'm just unconvinced that Peterson is one of those people. It'd help so much to see what is actually on the test though.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:44:56 #1011
im not downplaying it and not sure how his own model is set up but i dont see how either assertiveness or activity would have a strong link with either I/E in MBTI as opposed to other facets or just not being able to be incorporated into it, there's "active" or energetic and "inactive" E, I, P and J types alike with different traits and ways it could manifest itself and questions like "I'm always on the move" could apply to literally anyone regardless of whether they prefer people's company or not, introverts are often stereotyped as being lazy and shy but neither of those things (especially when you're dealing with MBTI introversion) are true

Editing post #1011 by Teru Mikami <p>im not downplaying it and not sure how his own model is set up but i dont see how either assertiveness or activity would have a strong link with either I/E in MBTI as opposed to other facets or just not being able to be incorporated into it, there's "active" or energetic and "inactive" E, I, P and J types alike with different traits and ways it could manifest itself and questions like "I'm always on the move" could apply to literally anyone regardless of whether they prefer people's company or not, introverts are often stereotyped as being lazy and shy but neither of those things (especially when you're dealing with MBTI introversion) are true</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:28:27 #1007
He's just on the agreeable side for men, which probably still puts him below the overall 50 percentile in agreeableness. And MBTI T vs F has a lot of things that fit him on the T side which aren't necessarily having to do with "agreeableness" except maybe by correlation, so I'd expect him to score considerably higher in agreeableness than in Feeling.

Editing post #1007 by edza <p>He's just on the agreeable side for men, which probably still puts him below the overall 50 percentile in agreeableness. And MBTI T vs F has a lot of things that fit him on the T side which aren't necessarily having to do with "agreeableness" except maybe by correlation, so I'd expect him to score considerably higher in agreeableness than in Feeling.</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:25:57 #1005
	edza, Yes. I know you can just say you are an XSTP or whatever. I'm just arguing that if you are an introvert but confident you are more likely to consider the chance of actually being an extrovert and if you are a shy extrovert an introvert. I'm not against ambiversion, if anything I would love if we could type letters using it.

Editing post #1005 by Blank <p>edza, Yes. I know you can just say you are an XSTP or whatever. I'm just arguing that if you are an introvert but confident you are more likely to consider the chance of actually being an extrovert and if you are a shy extrovert an introvert. I'm not against ambiversion, if anything I would love if we could type letters using it.</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:21:44 #1003
	Well, how we see ourselves can be really different from how we really are. He maybe sees himself as nice, agreable, kind person while we see his argumentative side. For example, I might see my self as cool smart detached confident James Bond alike. People most likely just see me as shy and ackward. Which one is correct? Who knows?

Editing post #1003 by Blank <p>Well, how we see ourselves can be really different from how we really are. He maybe sees himself as nice, agreable, kind person while we see his argumentative side. For example, I might see my self as cool smart detached confident James Bond alike. People most likely just see me as shy and ackward. Which one is correct? Who knows?</p>
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	Blank 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:17:29 #1001
	Oh, yes, I remember 16P had this thing on turbulent vs assertive. This is a personal biased thought but could be that turbulent extroverts and assertive introverts are the ones that see themselves as ambiverts? Offtopic again... I would need to see the test to know whether it was the whole thing that changed his results. It could be, depending how they made it. Tests tend to suck, anyway.

Editing post #1001 by Blank <p>Oh, yes, I remember 16P had this thing on turbulent vs assertive.</p> <p>This is a personal biased thought but could be that turbulent extroverts and assertive introverts are the ones that see themselves as ambiverts? Offtopic again...</p> <p>I would need to see the test to know whether it was the whole thing that changed his results. It could be, depending how they made it. Tests tend to suck, anyway.</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/04 (Mon) 14:13:08 #999
If I recall correctly Jordan Peterson's Big 5 model is only two-faceted, so I'd guess his "assertiveness" encapsulates a lot of "extraverted" traits that would even be very likely show up in an MBTI test. It's possible that he'd qualify as an introvert in MBTI but I think you're downplaying the link between the two, especially when he got pretty severe results.

Editing post #999 by edza If I recall correctly Jordan Peterson's Big 5 model is only two-faceted, so I'd guess his "assertiveness" encapsulates a lot of "extraverted" traits that would even be very likely show up in an MBTI test. It's possible that he'd qualify as an introvert in MBTI but I think you're downplaying the link between the two, especially when he got pretty severe results.
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/04 (Mon) 12:11:48 #988
Using fiction as an argument isn't generally a good idea. Carl Jung never "believed himself to be INTP", and nor would he be F in MBTI although that's got more of an opinion to it. I guess it first helps by laying down the groundwork of what you actually mean when you say "INTP" or "INFJ" or whatever, because whatever it is probably isn't something in line with Jung or MBTI.

Editing post #988 by edza <p>Using fiction as an argument isn't generally a good idea. Carl Jung never "believed himself to be INTP", and nor would he be F in MBTI although that's got more of an opinion to it.</p> <p>I guess it first helps by laying down the groundwork of what you actually mean when you say "INTP" or "INFJ" or whatever, because whatever it is probably isn't something in line with Jung <strong>or</strong> MBTI.</p> <p> </p>
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	Blank 2018/06/04 (Mon) 11:51:19 #986
	MBTI statements on extraversion (oficial site: https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extraversion-or-introversion.htm I am seen as "outgoing" or as a "people person." I feel comfortable in groups and like working in them. I have a wide range of friends and know lots of people. I sometimes jump too quickly into an activity and don't allow enough time to think it over. Before I start a project, I sometimes forget to stop and get clear on what I want to do and why. Extraversion on Big5 (Teru's source) Warmth: make friends easily Gregariousness: love large parties Assertiveness: take charge Activity level: always busy Excitement: love excitement Positive Emotions Cheerfulness radiate joy So people can compare. While I don't see Jordan as an extrovert at all I see both types of extroversion really similar. My takeaway on this is that both in MBTI and Big 5 is about a preference on more interactions (being with more people, and taking more action) instead of prefering one on one interactions (with either people or activities). So if he really is high extroverted in Big 5 I can see how it would translate to high extroversion in MBTI almost 100%. Unless it was a test that scored more highly being active than being social or something like that. My guess? He was just misstyped. As smart as he might be and as professional the test might have been it is still a damn test that would be nice to have access with his answers. But that's probably not going to happen. And if anyone believes it is imposible he misstyped him self... Well, Carl Jung was (probably) an INFJ and he believed himself to be an INTP. Even the best can misstype themselves.

Editing post #986 by Blank <p>MBTI statements on extraversion (oficial site: https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extraversion-or-introversion.htm</p> <p>I am seen as "outgoing" or as a "people person."<br /> I feel comfortable in groups and like working in them.<br /> I have a wide range of friends and know lots of people.<br /> I sometimes jump too quickly into an activity and don't allow enough time to think it over.<br /> Before I start a project, I sometimes forget to stop and get clear on what I want to do and why.</p> <p>Extraversion on Big5 (Teru's source)</p> <p>Warmth: make friends easily<br /> Gregariousness: love large parties<br /> Assertiveness: take charge<br /> Activity level: always busy<br /> Excitement: love excitement<br /> Positive Emotions Cheerfulness radiate joy</p> <p>So people can compare.</p> <p>While I don't see Jordan as an extrovert at all I see both types of extroversion really similar.</p> <p>My takeaway on this is that both in MBTI and Big 5 is about a preference on more interactions (being with more people, and taking more action) instead of prefering one on one interactions (with either people or activities).</p> <p>So if he really is high extroverted in Big 5 I can see how it would translate to high extroversion in MBTI almost 100%. Unless it was a test that scored more highly being active than being social or something like that.</p> <p>My guess? He was just misstyped. As smart as he might be and as professional the test might have been it is still a damn test that would be nice to have access with his answers. But that's probably not going to happen. And if anyone believes it is imposible he misstyped him self... Well, Carl Jung was (probably) an INFJ and he believed himself to be an INTP. Even the best can misstype themselves.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/04 (Mon) 04:39:29 #971
don't any of you get how polling extraversion based on how much you want to take charge of social situations as opposed to how sociable and outgoing you are will lend you different results, so many of this reads "yeah but he might possibly score over 50%" because big 5 and mbti extraversion are DEFINED the same but no one's addressing how they're measured

Editing post #971 by Teru Mikami <p>don't any of you get how polling extraversion based on how much you want to take charge of social situations as opposed to how sociable and outgoing you are will lend you different results, so many of this reads "yeah but he might possibly score over 50%" because big 5 and mbti extraversion are DEFINED the same but no one's addressing how they're measured</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/04 (Mon) 01:49:14 #967
@strawberry that's what i'm saying in that mbti extraversion traits and big 5 extraversion traits are very similar so someone who tests 99th percentile on extraversion scale in big 5 wouldn't test as an introvert in mbti. The descriptions of being 'inwardly focused' or 'outwardly focused ' derive from jungs 'neutral' approach to introversion and extraversion but still on the ACTUAL test questions mbti and especially big 5 extroversion aspects take a positive connotation such as sociability or in big 5 even the ability to experience.positive emotion. (On a sidenote the extrovert bias is so strong it hurts that's why i am not a big fan of the approach because being an introvert it basically means being a fucking loser lol.But thats a topic.for.another day)

Editing post #967 by Diobono <p>@strawberry that's what i'm saying in that mbti extraversion traits and big 5 extraversion traits are very similar so someone who tests 99th percentile on extraversion scale in big 5 wouldn't test as an introvert in mbti.</p> <p>The descriptions of being 'inwardly focused' or 'outwardly focused ' derive from jungs 'neutral' approach to introversion and extraversion but still on the ACTUAL test questions mbti and especially big 5 extroversion aspects take a positive connotation such as sociability or in big 5 even the ability to experience.positive emotion.</p> <p>(On a sidenote the extrovert bias is so strong it hurts that's why i am not a big fan of the approach because being an introvert it basically means being a fucking loser lol.But thats a topic.for.another day)</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/04 (Mon) 01:06:17 #966
If your argument is that he's "INTJ" in some sort of "Jung" system I'm not exactly sure what that means because Jung didn't do MBTI. It should be pretty clear that at the very least he's not Jung's "Ni" (Introverted Intuitive) type, and would fit much better under either Thinking type. This isn't something that can be represented with a type code in MBTI. At best you could try to represent it in Socionics because there's no specific Jung column. I think he looks for facts and argumentations to support a cause more than the other way around I think, which would be more like using "5-ness" as a tool for 1 motivations. Also where is the 4 wing? I would imagine that he'd have 5w6 in tritype.

Editing post #966 by edza <p>If your argument is that he's "INTJ" in some sort of "Jung" system I'm not exactly sure what that means because Jung didn't do MBTI.</p> <p>It should be pretty clear that at the very least he's not Jung's "Ni" (Introverted Intuitive) type, and would fit much better under either Thinking type.</p> <p>This isn't something that can be represented with a type code in MBTI. At best you could try to represent it in Socionics because there's no specific Jung column.</p> I think he looks for facts and argumentations to support a cause more than the other way around I think, which would be more like using "5-ness" as a tool for 1 motivations. Also where is the 4 wing? I would imagine that he'd have 5w6 in tritype.
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	Blank 2018/06/03 (Sun) 20:34:29 #963
	This is the beauty of mbti. Blind people arguing about the appearance of someone using descriptions of a dead man based on voice tones. Maybe all this is a lie, maybe people are able to be one different type each moment. Maybe personality is an illusion, developed for our need to seek patterns and find comfort in the known while in reality everyone is just a nebolous stream of changes that we give form by boxing them with our interpretations.

Editing post #963 by Blank <p>This is the beauty of mbti. Blind people arguing about the appearance of someone using descriptions of a dead man based on voice tones. Maybe all this is a lie, maybe people are able to be one different type each moment. Maybe personality is an illusion, developed for our need to seek patterns and find comfort in the known while in reality everyone is just a nebolous stream of changes that we give form by boxing them with our interpretations.</p>
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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2018/06/03 (Sun) 15:39:54 #958
	“Outwardly focused” doesn’t quite imply extraversion in MBTI outside of just summarizing the general direction the preference moves toward. Taking that term for what it seems to be implies a lot that so many introverts would be able to identify with; it’s more a concept you’ll see more literally translated in Jungian literature and function-related terminology. Extraversion in MBTI is centered around a lot of various factors that can be described as “outward” as opposed to “inward” but it has a lot to do with what people don’t like associating extraversion with: having a social orientation, being people-oriented, spending time around others and preferring action over contemplation. I don’t know enough about Jordan Peterson to be able to categorize him, but Teru certainly doesn’t have a poor understanding of how MBTI is tested for.

Editing post #958 by strawberry crisis <p>“Outwardly focused” doesn’t quite imply extraversion in MBTI outside of just summarizing the general direction the preference moves toward. Taking that term for what it seems to be implies a lot that so many introverts would be able to identify with; it’s more a concept you’ll see more literally translated in Jungian literature and function-related terminology. Extraversion in MBTI is centered around a lot of various factors that can be described as “outward” as opposed to “inward” but it has a lot to do with what people don’t like associating extraversion with: having a social orientation, being people-oriented, spending time around others and preferring action over contemplation. I don’t know enough about Jordan Peterson to be able to categorize him, but Teru certainly doesn’t have a poor understanding of how MBTI is tested for.</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/03 (Sun) 15:09:30 #956
	No, reflecting alone is not I. Aren't you debating with me right now? Ik you're not saying he's a P, why don't you try listening? He's too outwardly focused to be an introvert and lectures are not conversations. If you don't want to be accused of straw-men then don't do it. I know what I said, you saying I said things that I didn't say is a straw-man. Drop the ego tough guy. I think you're too emotional and childish to have a conversation with. You don't want to learn anything. You can not care all you want but I'm still right. Also not caring about what I say is more your problem than it is mine.

Editing post #956 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>No, reflecting alone is not I. Aren't you debating with me right now? Ik you're not saying he's a P, why don't you try listening? He's too outwardly focused to be an introvert and lectures are not conversations. If you don't want to be accused of straw-men then don't do it. I know what I said, you saying I said things that I didn't say is a straw-man. Drop the ego tough guy. I think you're too emotional and childish to have a conversation with. You don't want to learn anything. You can not care all you want but I'm still right. Also not caring about what I say is more your problem than it is mine.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 14:59:57 #955
"having thoughts" isn't I, reflecting on things and preferring your own analysis over debating with others is (already said this), I'm not saying he's a P, I'm saying his personal, subjective and indirect rants imply I, not the act of ranting itself (also already said this), accusing people of straw-manning is a straw-man (told this to someone somewhere and if you're him i still think you're a loser plus I've consciously tried to be objective and non-dismissive and explained everything I think in clear detail) and if you're gonna continue giving untrue and overly simple statements and going "yeah but that's not what I'm saying" whenever I interpret them that way go ahead and talk to yourself some more bc I've given every argument I can think of and no one cares what you're saying

Editing post #955 by Teru Mikami <p>"having thoughts" isn't I, reflecting on things and preferring your own analysis over debating with others is (already said this), I'm not saying he's a P, I'm saying his personal, subjective and indirect rants imply I, not the act of ranting itself (also already said this), accusing people of straw-manning is a straw-man (told this to someone somewhere and if you're him i still think you're a loser plus I've consciously tried to be objective and non-dismissive and explained everything I think in clear detail) and if you're gonna continue giving untrue and overly simple statements and going "yeah but that's not what I'm saying" whenever I interpret them that way go ahead and talk to yourself some more bc I've given every argument I can think of and no one cares what you're saying</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/03 (Sun) 14:23:02 #952
	Why so defensive? You keep making up straw-men and are dismissive whenever I disagree with you. ENxx and Ne actually are the same thing. ENxJ types are extraverts. INxP types are introverts. They're not high energy or very spontaneous. I'm just correcting you. Yes it's more P but neither of us are arguing he's a P. Your test scores don't prove anything. Most people type you as an Extrovert 5 or an Introvert 7. So really you're probably an ambivert. It's a lecture, it's not meant to be very interactive. You're trying to attribute having thoughts to introversion. He's E in both systems. You're saying he's polite cause he wants to be respected. That's agreeableness still. Disagreeable people wouldn't care enough to be respectful. You said he only scored high on extraversion because of assertiveness, so i corrected you. You couldn't say anything so you changed the argument. "Well uh, it's not the same thing in mbti as it is in big 5"

Editing post #952 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>Why so defensive? You keep making up straw-men and are dismissive whenever I disagree with you. ENxx and Ne actually are the same thing. ENxJ types are extraverts. INxP types are introverts. They're not high energy or very spontaneous. I'm just correcting you. Yes it's more P but neither of us are arguing he's a P. Your test scores don't prove anything. Most people type you as an Extrovert 5 or an Introvert 7. So really you're probably an ambivert. It's a lecture, it's not meant to be very interactive. You're trying to attribute having thoughts to introversion. He's E in both systems. You're saying he's polite cause he wants to be respected. That's agreeableness still. Disagreeable people wouldn't care enough to be respectful. You said he only scored high on extraversion because of assertiveness, so i corrected you. You couldn't say anything so you changed the argument. "Well uh, it's not the same thing in mbti as it is in big 5"</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 14:12:34 #950
what are you even twisting this into lmao, the conversation's about peterson not the definition of rambling (which you, an introvert are doing and summed up is disoriented inconsequential thought which is extremely P and anti-J and you're giving me a fucking headache), big 5 extraversion and MBTI I/E aren't the same thing and the only arguments I can give for that are ones that I already gave or a personal one aka the fact that I score 80+% extraversion in big 5 and 70% introversion in MBTI, in unplanned conversation he simply goes through his own thoughts and is focused on arriving at a personal conclusion without really caring about interacting with the other person and I didn't say a thing about agreeableness, just that politeness is a shit argument since it's dependent on the motivations behind it rather than the simple act of doing it

Editing post #950 by Teru Mikami <p>what are you even twisting this into lmao, the conversation's about peterson not the definition of rambling (which you, an introvert are doing and summed up is disoriented inconsequential thought which is extremely P and anti-J and you're giving me a fucking headache), big 5 extraversion and MBTI I/E aren't the same thing and the only arguments I can give for that are ones that I already gave or a personal one aka the fact that I score 80+% extraversion in big 5 and 70% introversion in MBTI, in unplanned conversation he simply goes through his own thoughts and is focused on arriving at a personal conclusion without really caring about interacting with the other person and I didn't say a thing about agreeableness, just that politeness is a shit argument since it's dependent on the motivations behind it rather than the simple act of doing it</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:45:46 #948
	Rambling is more of an E trait. That's why extraverts ramble more than INxPs. Even ESxx types. If you're talking about Ne than I'd say ENxx types are more Ne than xNxP types. Since Ne is just that Extraverted intuition ENxx. Yes there is, he's saying assertiveness is the primary reason he scores E but he still scores high in it. It's one facet. If he was weak in all the others but strong in just 1 than he should be scoring as an introvert still, by a long shot. How does one have a conversation without engaging their mind? He presents himself as more E because he is and he's had plenty of conversations. He's not highly disagreeable, he scored moderate in it. I would say politeness has to do with agreeableness. Conceptual is more having to do with intuition than introversion.

Editing post #948 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>Rambling is more of an E trait. That's why extraverts ramble more than INxPs. Even ESxx types. If you're talking about Ne than I'd say ENxx types are more Ne than xNxP types. Since Ne is just that Extraverted intuition ENxx. Yes there is, he's saying assertiveness is the primary reason he scores E but he still scores high in it. It's one facet. If he was weak in all the others but strong in just 1 than he should be scoring as an introvert still, by a long shot. How does one have a conversation without engaging their mind? He presents himself as more E because he is and he's had plenty of conversations. He's not highly disagreeable, he scored moderate in it. I would say politeness has to do with agreeableness. Conceptual is more having to do with intuition than introversion. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:39:03 #947
the only times you see him interact with people are in organized debates or when his students or viewers ask him questions and even then he has a lot more introverted traits, other than that he's not people-oriented and you don't see him seek out interaction in areas where it doesn't benefit him or actually being "outgoing" at all

Editing post #947 by Teru Mikami <p>the only times you see him interact with people are in organized debates or when his students or viewers ask him questions and even then he has a lot more introverted traits, other than that he's not people-oriented and you don't see him seek out interaction in areas where it doesn't benefit him or actually being "outgoing" at all</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:35:10 #946
it is implying the rest would be low since there's no other reason to say it, he deals with the conceptual and subjective more than external reality and the time he spends "outside" is spent verbally analyzing his own thoughts and opinions either through lectures or livestreams which isn't E since there's not much "interaction" going on, not having a point and rambling is NP rather than EN and his "politeness" seems to stem more from a desire to be respected rather than preference for harmony or not offending anyone, it's not much of an argument in the first place

Editing post #946 by Teru Mikami <p>it is implying the rest would be low since there's no other reason to say it, he deals with the conceptual and subjective more than external reality and the time he spends "outside" is spent verbally analyzing his own thoughts and opinions either through lectures or livestreams which isn't E since there's not much "interaction" going on, not having a point and rambling is NP rather than EN and his "politeness" seems to stem more from a desire to be respected rather than preference for harmony or not offending anyone, it's not much of an argument in the first place</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:25:13 #945
	That's not implying the rest would be low. Regardless he scored high on extraversion asnd assertiveness is only one facet of it so that doesn't work. He spends more time outside and he's much more polite than most thinkers. Joe Rogan talks about intellectual topics and whatnot too. I wouldn't classify him as an introvert. Him not having a point and rambling is E and N more than anything else.

Editing post #945 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>That's not implying the rest would be low. Regardless he scored high on extraversion asnd assertiveness is only one facet of it so that doesn't work. He spends more time outside and he's much more polite than most thinkers. Joe Rogan talks about intellectual topics and whatnot too. I wouldn't classify him as an introvert. Him not having a point and rambling is E and N more than anything else.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:15:38 #944
he's not "gregarious, friendly or warm" either, his first impulse is evaluating what he thinks of a topic and breaking it down rather than dealing with people in a harmonious and comforting way, and he said that a lot of the extraversion score is assertiveness subdivided implying the rest would be pretty low, i already talked about this below

Editing post #944 by Teru Mikami <p>he's not "gregarious, friendly or warm" either, his first impulse is evaluating what he thinks of a topic and breaking it down rather than dealing with people in a harmonious and comforting way, and he said that a lot of the extraversion score is assertiveness subdivided implying the rest would be pretty low, i already talked about this below</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:13:34 #943
I'm not saying only introverts do, I/E is a spectrum, but if you spend more time "interacting with the world" than reflecting on things you fall more towards E than I and he doesn't, also the main criticism he gets is that he goes off on ungrounded irrelevant tangents without ever making a point, facts are pretty far away on his priority list

Editing post #943 by Teru Mikami <p>I'm not saying only introverts do, I/E is a spectrum, but if you spend more time "interacting with the world" than reflecting on things you fall more towards E than I and he doesn't, also the main criticism he gets is that he goes off on ungrounded irrelevant tangents without ever making a point, facts are pretty far away on his priority list</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/03 (Sun) 13:03:36 #942
	Still not what I'm saying, nowhere did I say that he has to zone-out to be an introvert. I don't think subjective associations and having thoughts of your own is proof of introversion, everyone does. I also don't think the facts that he learned are proof of extraversion. He's too gregarious, friendly, etc to be an introvert. Also he scored high on extraversion in big 5 like I said.

Editing post #942 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>Still not what I'm saying, nowhere did I say that he has to zone-out to be an introvert. I don't think subjective associations and having thoughts of your own is proof of introversion, everyone does. I also don't think the facts that he learned are proof of extraversion. He's too gregarious, friendly, etc to be an introvert. Also he scored high on extraversion in big 5 like I said.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 12:30:43 #929
clinging to numbers when you're dealing with people is stupid, if extraversion was only measured in gregariousness and assertiveness scoring 20 on the first and 100 on the latter would average you at 60 even though you're not outgoing or group-oriented in the least, extroversion and I/E are measured differently and in MBTI terms he's an introvert

Editing post #929 by Teru Mikami <p>clinging to numbers when you're dealing with people is stupid, if extraversion was only measured in gregariousness and assertiveness scoring 20 on the first and 100 on the latter would average you at 60 even though you're not outgoing or group-oriented in the least, extroversion and I/E are measured differently and in MBTI terms he's an introvert</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/03 (Sun) 10:26:49 #928
He could fit the jungian definition of an introvert in fact by functions i've voted him as an introvert. But i said that seeing how similar the i/e aspect is in big 5 and how he scored 99th percentile on big 5 he would score as an extrovert on mbti. Yeah maybe he is not clear cut but alot of extroverts in general aren't since most people are ambiverts. Alot of extj and enxp can come off as introverts.

Editing post #928 by diobono <p>He could fit the jungian definition of an introvert in fact by functions i've voted him as an introvert. But i said that seeing how similar the i/e aspect is in big 5 and how he scored 99th percentile on big 5 he would score as an extrovert on mbti. </p> <p>Yeah maybe he is not clear cut but alot of extroverts in general aren't since most people are ambiverts. Alot of extj and enxp can come off as introverts.</p> <p> </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 08:46:11 #925
from the same site: Introversion (I) I like getting my energy from dealing with the ideas, pictures, memories, and reactions that are inside my head, in my inner world. I often prefer doing things alone or with one or two people I feel comfortable with. I take time to reflect so that I have a clear idea of what I'll be doing when I decide to act. Ideas are almost solid things for me. Sometimes I like the idea of something better than the real thing. He fits into nearly all of this

Editing post #925 by Teru Mikami <p>from the same site:</p> <p> </p> <p>Introversion (I)</p> <p><em>I like getting my energy from dealing with the ideas, pictures, memories, and reactions that are inside my head, in my inner world. I often prefer doing things alone or with one or two people I feel comfortable with. I take time to reflect so that I have a clear idea of what I'll be doing when I decide to act. Ideas are almost solid things for me. Sometimes I like the idea of something better than the real thing.</em></p> <p> </p> <p>He fits into nearly all of this</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/03 (Sun) 08:44:22 #924
"pretty high in extroversion but a lot of that's assertiveness when you subdivide it", these are his words, stop making it sound like he's such a clear-cut extrovert when on the same scale he'd score pretty fucking low on gregariousness, excitement-seeking, positive emotions and warmth (yay Fe he's such a friendly person!!!)

Editing post #924 by Teru Mikami <p>"pretty high in extroversion but a lot of that's assertiveness when you subdivide it", these are his words, stop making it sound like he's such a clear-cut extrovert when on the same scale he'd score pretty fucking low on gregariousness, excitement-seeking, positive emotions and warmth (yay Fe he's such a friendly person!!!)</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/03 (Sun) 07:19:46 #923
Last one on this dude. According to a financial times article on him he scored in the 99TH PERCENTILE on Assertiveness.The big 5 e/i items and the mbti i/e items are really similar because there is actually a consensus on what introversion and extraversion is so i really doubt he would score I on a mbti test if he was 99th percentile in big 5.

Editing post #923 by diobono <p>Last one on this dude. According to a financial times article on him he scored in the 99TH PERCENTILE on Assertiveness.The big 5 e/i items and the mbti i/e items are really similar because there is actually a consensus on what introversion and extraversion is so i really doubt he would score I on a mbti test if he was 99th percentile in big 5.</p> <p> </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/05/30 (Wed) 05:24:10 #857
Also solely interpreting his big 5 results might give you ENJ but I think when he said he scored high on extraversion but that "a lot of that's assertiveness" he might've been implying that he sees himself as an introvert, and I think that when you go by "internal world" vs "external reality" he seems a lot more like the former

Editing post #857 by Teru Mikami <p>Also solely interpreting his big 5 results might give you ENJ but I think when he said he scored high on extraversion but that "a lot of that's assertiveness" he might've been implying that he sees himself as an introvert, and I think that when you go by "internal world" vs "external reality" he seems a lot more like the former</p>
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	strawberry crisis enfp 7 2018/05/30 (Wed) 04:35:39 #855
	I don’t see the point in meshing MBTI with a plethora of different typing styles that conveniently like to call themselves “MBTI,” too. If you want to vote for a function type (which ironically are decided upon using a different set of dichotomies), I do ask that you use the IDR column to vote by checking “function vote” before voting an MBTI type.

Editing post #855 by strawberry crisis <p>I don’t see the point in meshing MBTI with a plethora of different typing styles that conveniently like to call themselves “MBTI,” too. If you want to vote for a function type (which ironically are decided upon using a different set of dichotomies), I do ask that you use the IDR column to vote by checking “function vote” before voting an MBTI type.</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/05/30 (Wed) 04:19:26 #853
If you think using big 5 models and using retarded and inconsistentnt jungian mysticism is necessarily intuitive and a thinker trait than go ahead. I typed basically by functions but i guess its not a cool thing to do on this website. He literally fits the si fe and all descriptions of inferior Ne. MUH POSTMODERNISM BOOGA WOOGA. This fucking website and pure dichotomy mbti i swear. Switch to big 5 while yoy are at it. If you were to type him by letters and by dchotomy he would be enxj anyway. High extraversion, high agreeableness, high coscientiousness and openmindedness. There you have its enxj. I tried to give a function interpretation.

Editing post #853 by Diobono <p>If you think using big 5 models and using retarded and inconsistentnt jungian mysticism is necessarily intuitive and a thinker trait than go ahead. I typed basically by functions but i guess its not a cool thing to do on this website. He literally fits the si fe and all descriptions of inferior Ne. MUH POSTMODERNISM BOOGA WOOGA. This fucking website and pure dichotomy mbti i swear. Switch to big 5 while yoy are at it.</p> <p> </p> <p>If you were to type him by letters and by dchotomy he would be enxj anyway. High extraversion, high agreeableness, high coscientiousness and openmindedness. There you have its enxj. I tried to give a function interpretation.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/05/29 (Tue) 17:53:16 #840
From http://www.myersbriggs.org The following statements generally apply to me: I remember events by what I read "between the lines" about their meaning. I solve problems by leaping between different ideas and possibilities. I am interested in doing things that are new and different. I like to see the big picture, then to find out the facts. I trust impressions, symbols, and metaphors more than what I actually experienced Sometimes I think so much about new possibilities that I never look at how to make them a reality. This is his basically his entire career but he makes 50k a month that's very pragmatic he must be an S

Editing post #840 by Teru Mikami <p>From <a href="http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/sensing-or-intuition.htm?bhcp=1">http://www.myersbriggs.org</a></p> <p><strong>The following statements generally apply to me:</strong></p> <p><em>I remember events by what I read "between the lines" about their meaning.</em></p> <p><em>I solve problems by leaping between different ideas and possibilities.</em></p> <p><em>I am interested in doing things that are new and different.</em></p> <p><em>I like to see the big picture, then to find out the facts.</em></p> <p><em>I trust impressions, symbols, and metaphors more than what I actually experienced</em></p> <p><em>Sometimes I think so much about new possibilities that I never look at how to make them a reality.</em></p> <p>This is his basically his entire career but he makes 50k a month that's very pragmatic he must be an S</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/05/29 (Tue) 17:51:17 #839
Social conservatism isn't about preserving harmony, when you don't keep natural social hierarchies you get an entire generation of fatherless losers who look for an internet dad to support them (or bash viciously depending on their childhood), and the libtard thing was a joke ya big fucking dummy, there's nothing "Fe" about him

Editing post #839 by Teru Mikami <p>Social conservatism isn't about preserving harmony, when you don't keep natural social hierarchies you get an entire generation of fatherless losers who look for an internet dad to support them (or bash viciously depending on their childhood), and the libtard thing was a joke ya big fucking dummy, there's nothing "Fe" about him</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/05/29 (Tue) 16:54:31 #836
Social conservativism is literally about preserving harmony tradition and the status quo.Don't see why he couldn't be Fe. On the big 5 test he also said he was high on Agreeableness. Maybe my reading of conservative and reactionary =isfj is excessive but it fits the si-fe like a glove and just because he rants on and on about Jungian mysticism pseudo deep bullshit doesn't make him N to me . still stand by ixfj.

Editing post #836 by diobono <p>Social conservativism is literally about preserving harmony tradition and the status quo.Don't see why he couldn't be Fe. On the big 5 test he also said he was high on Agreeableness. Maybe my reading of conservative and reactionary =isfj is excessive but it fits the si-fe like a glove and just because he rants on and on about Jungian mysticism pseudo deep bullshit doesn't make him N to me . still stand by ixfj.</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/05/29 (Tue) 16:44:45 #835
Lol so he's a librul now? In what sense of the world. The belief that natural social hierarchies are legitimate and should be kept that way is just reactionary and retrograde but if i say that i guess i am an sjw butthurt tumblrina am i right. When i watch his video all i see is one point of view shoved down my mouth all the time. Different perspectives my ass. He is literally a fucking ideologue. His position is oh so brave can't believe he is standing up against the status quo and getting denied his free speech while getting paid 50k on patreon and keeps popping up every fucking time on youtube and makes my blood boil wow truly a revolutionary.

Editing post #835 by diobono <p>Lol so he's a librul now? In what sense of the world. The belief that natural social hierarchies are legitimate and should be kept that way is just reactionary and retrograde but if i say that i guess i am an sjw butthurt tumblrina am i right. When i watch his video all i see is one point of view shoved down my mouth all the time. Different perspectives my ass.</p> <p>He is literally a fucking ideologue. His position is oh so brave can't believe he is standing up against the status quo and getting denied his free speech while getting paid 50k on patreon and keeps popping up every fucking time on youtube and makes my blood boil wow truly a revolutionary.</p> <p> </p> <p> </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/05/28 (Mon) 17:05:32 #814
Ah yes auxiliary Fe aka being concerned with preserving harmony in your environment and the people around you and tending to their needs that's definitely him, he's also 100% a sensor it's not like every word that comes out of his mouth revolves around measuring different points of view against each other, that's ridiculous

Editing post #814 by Teru Mikami <p>Ah yes auxiliary Fe aka being concerned with preserving harmony in your environment and the people around you and tending to their needs that's definitely him, he's also 100% a sensor it's not like every word that comes out of his mouth revolves around measuring different points of view against each other, that's ridiculous</p>
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diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/05/28 (Mon) 15:15:26 #809
So Lobsters have serotonin and have dominance heriarchies, and so man have the same are just the same? What if i make an example of a matriarchal based society in nature? What if i take any other animal analogy where animals cooperate together in harmony and make a point for communism instead or something. Too ideologically driven to be a 5. Probably a 6 or 1. Also i think ixfj over tj because his tertiary ti shows through alot in debates and stuff. Like in the Dillahaunty interview. He is a great manipulator though. Biological Essentialism is retarded and used to justify his hyperconservative ideology. Can't believe people like this guy and think he isn't biased as shit.

Editing post #809 by diobono <p>So Lobsters have serotonin and have dominance heriarchies, and so man have the same are just the same? What if i make an example of a matriarchal based society in nature? What if i take any other animal analogy where animals cooperate together in harmony and make a point for communism instead or something. Too ideologically driven to be a 5. Probably a 6 or 1. Also i think ixfj over tj because his tertiary ti shows through alot in debates and stuff. Like in the Dillahaunty interview. He is a great manipulator though.</p> <p> Biological Essentialism is retarded and used to justify his hyperconservative ideology. Can't believe people like this guy and think he isn't biased as shit.</p>
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date	username	vote
22/09/06 13:18	GIJOEBusta Cap	INFJ
21/10/20 13:00	Reinek	ENFJ
21/01/09 02:00	Sean91939	ENTJ
21/01/07 13:27	Darkstar	INFJ
20/07/18 11:57	ethan	ENFJ
20/06/13 15:41	Flower-like	ESTJ
20/05/14 14:58	fleetingpetals1	INTJ
20/04/28 15:57	Thyssen	INTJ
19/12/22 19:08	bibliology	INFJ
19/06/25 11:38	typometrics.tumblr	ENFJ
19/09/15 08:15	fsninetwo	INFJ
19/06/24 22:10	LadyX	ENTJ
19/06/23 03:51	Diobono	ENTJ
19/02/26 21:43	Cholericus	ENTP
19/05/21 11:02	Taco110	ENFJ
18/12/16 10:06	socjonikamas	ENFJ
18/12/02 17:33	twinpinks	INTJ
18/12/02 12:07	jeorge	INFJ
20/04/29 12:47	Tman	INFJ
18/11/15 20:21	Tch	INTJ
18/09/08 16:25	~snow~	ENTJ
18/07/24 05:37	fg	ESTJ
18/07/10 04:31	scumfuc	ENTJ
18/09/08 14:53	LVNA	ENTJ
18/06/05 04:25	Nyx	ENTJ
18/06/04 01:06	edza	ENTJ
18/06/03 02:31	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys	ENTJ
18/05/28 02:10	Teru Mikami	INTJ

date	username	vote
22/09/06 13:18	GIJOEBusta Cap	INFJ
22/03/09 10:09	Woll Smoth	INFJ
21/10/20 13:05	Reinek	INFJ
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	INFJ
21/01/09 02:00	Sean91939	ENTJ
21/01/07 13:27	Darkstar	INFJ
20/06/13 15:41	Flower-like	ESTJ
20/04/28 15:57	Thyssen	INFJ
19/09/23 15:15	LVNA	INTP
19/09/23 14:32	Teru Mikami	INTP
19/09/15 08:15	fsninetwo	INFJ
19/07/05 17:26	tman	INFJ
19/06/25 12:43	typometrics.tumblr	INFJ
19/02/26 21:20	tch	INFJ
19/02/26 17:30	Taco110	INFJ
18/12/11 10:19	Phantom	INFJ
18/08/25 10:51	fiddlediddle	INFJ
18/07/24 05:37	fg	ISFJ
18/06/05 04:25	Nyx	ENFJ
19/09/23 14:40	Diobono	INFJ

date	username	vote
22/09/06 13:18	GIJOEBusta Cap	1w2
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	1w9
21/01/09 02:00	Sean91939	1w2
21/01/07 13:27	Darkstar	1w2
20/12/12 02:31	Lol	5w4
20/04/28 15:57	Thyssen	1w2
19/09/11 06:24	DJ	1w2
19/06/25 11:47	typometrics.tumblr	1w2
19/06/25 08:43	fsninetwo	1w2
19/06/24 22:10	LadyX	1w2
19/05/15 22:17	tch	1w2
19/03/10 23:23	bioomer	1w9
19/02/26 21:45	Cholericus	5w6
19/02/26 17:34	bloomer	1w2
19/02/26 17:30	Taco110	1w2
18/12/16 10:07	socjonikamas	1w9
18/12/11 10:20	Phantom	1w2
18/12/02 12:10	jeorge	1w9
22/05/25 14:49	Tman	1w9
18/10/13 23:45	switchblades	1w2
18/08/25 14:56	~snow~	1w2
18/08/25 10:51	fiddlediddle	1w2
18/07/10 04:31	scumfuc	5w6
18/06/08 07:43	Stephen Hearts	5w4
18/06/05 05:53	lvna	1w2
18/06/05 05:52	Nyx	2w1
18/06/04 01:17	edza	1w2
18/07/25 03:09	fg	1w2
18/05/28 02:10	Teru Mikami	5w4
18/05/28 05:25	diobono	1w2

date	username	vote
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	so/sp
21/01/09 02:00	Sean91939	so/sp
21/01/07 13:27	Darkstar	so/sp
20/04/28 15:57	Thyssen	so/sp
19/12/22 19:08	bibliology	so/sp
20/04/29 12:48	Tman	sp/so
19/09/11 06:24	DJ	so/sp
19/06/25 11:49	typometrics.tumblr	so/sp
19/06/25 08:43	fsninetwo	so/sp
19/06/24 22:10	LadyX	so/sp
19/05/21 11:02	Taco110	so/sp
19/02/26 21:45	Cholericus	so/sp
18/12/11 10:20	Phantom	so/sp
18/12/02 12:11	jeorge	so/sp
18/08/25 14:57	~snow~	so/sp
18/06/05 04:26	Nyx	so/sp
18/05/28 05:14	fg	so/sp
18/05/28 02:10	Teru Mikami	so/sp

date	username	vote
22/05/25 14:50	Tman	145
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	145
21/01/09 02:00	Sean91939	164
21/01/07 13:27	Darkstar	153
20/05/31 09:15	Diobono	163
19/12/22 19:08	bibliology	136
19/06/25 11:49	typometrics.tumblr	163
19/06/24 22:10	LadyX	135
19/02/26 21:50	ResoluteSoul	451
19/02/26 21:47	Cholericus	593
18/12/02 12:09	jeorge	461
18/09/13 04:13	LVNA	631

date	username	vote
22/03/09 10:13	Woll Smoth	LII
21/11/10 20:42	Tman	EII
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	LIE
21/08/16 18:01	Sean91939	LIE
21/01/14 01:02	Darkstar	EII
20/07/18 11:58	ethan	EIE
20/05/14 14:58	fleetingpetals1	LIE
20/02/29 02:29	Lol	LII
20/01/26 11:28	0990	LIE
20/01/25 12:11	zazu	LII
19/09/11 06:06	DJ	LII
19/05/06 20:23	Avalonia	LIE
19/04/20 11:39	Phantom	LII
19/03/10 18:32	Resonare	LII
19/02/26 21:45	Cholericus	LII
18/12/16 09:46	socjonikamas	ESI
18/11/15 20:22	Tch	LII
18/10/13 23:46	switchblades	LII
19/12/02 01:09	LVNA	LIE
18/07/25 03:09	fg	ESI
18/07/10 04:31	scumfuc	LIE
18/06/04 08:13	Teru Mikami	LII
18/06/04 01:06	edza	LII

date	username	vote
21/05/11 14:00	12345tp12345	LEVF
20/05/14 14:58	fleetingpetals1	LEVF
22/05/25 14:50	Tman	LEVF
19/10/16 15:33	Phantom	LEVF

Diobono int 5w4 ili 2020/03/05 (Thu) 04:19:07 #7757
Se inferior low pain tolerance. Would rather be put in a coma then go through drug withdrawal

Editing post #7757 by Diobono <p>Se inferior low pain tolerance. Would rather be put in a coma then go through drug withdrawal </p>
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Teru Mikami 2019/09/23 (Mon) 14:31:17 #7086
inferior Se addicted to benzos.

Editing post #7086 by Teru Mikami <p>inferior Se addicted to benzos.</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2019/09/23 (Mon) 14:03:43 #7085
He's an addict, gotta be a perceiver tbqh

Editing post #7085 by Diobono <p>He's an addict, gotta be a perceiver tbqh</p>
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	DJ INFJ 4w5 sp/sx Researcher (415) Harmonic, EII-Ne 2019/09/11 (Wed) 06:17:52 #7068
	LII-Ti, Dominant (EJ) subtype

Editing post #7068 by DJ <p>LII-Ti, Dominant (EJ) subtype</p>
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	typometrics.tumblr INFJ 4w5 (459) sp/sx EII 2019/06/25 (Tue) 11:08:00 #6492
	Based on this interview, you can clearly type his dichotomies. Constructivist, Process, Strategic. This leaves either EIE or EII. The debate should be between these two. https://youtu.be/DKc4-iVJsL0

Editing post #6492 by typometrics.tumblr <p>Based on this interview, you can clearly type his dichotomies. Constructivist, Process, Strategic. This leaves either EIE or EII. The debate should be between these two.</p> <p><a href="https://youtu.be/DKc4-iVJsL0">https://youtu.be/DKc4-iVJsL0</a></p>
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Resonare INTJ 1w9 sp/sx ILI-Te 2019/03/10 (Sun) 18:32:06 #5544
LII.

Editing post #5544 by Resonare <p>LII.</p>
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	fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe 2018/08/25 (Sat) 19:56:18 #3024
	That's right fg, you're also an INFJ. silly Si types will never see my big picture

Editing post #3024 by fiddlediddle <p>That's right fg, you're also an INFJ.</p> <p> </p> <p>silly Si types will never see my big picture</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/08/25 (Sat) 13:34:25 #3016
lol why you guys taking the bait you're definitely getting a love letter now

Editing post #3016 by Teru Mikami <p>lol why you guys taking the bait you're definitely getting a love letter now</p>
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	fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe 2018/08/25 (Sat) 12:03:28 #3014
	whatever is thrown at me by you, bounces off and sticks to you like glue

Editing post #3014 by fiddlediddle <p>whatever is thrown at me by you, bounces off and sticks to you like glue</p>
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	fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe 2018/08/25 (Sat) 11:12:03 #3012
	I cannot. My Ti is absolute.

Editing post #3012 by fiddlediddle <p>I cannot. My Ti is absolute.</p>
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	fiddlediddle INFJ 1w9 IEI - Fe 2018/08/25 (Sat) 10:51:41 #3010
	oh shit not this again Since, Teru doesn't like this typing, I'll say again, INFJ (and I'm more than willing to repeat what happened on mbtibase). 1w2 seems reasonable.

Editing post #3010 by fiddlediddle <p>oh shit not this again</p> <p> </p> <p>Since, Teru doesn't like this typing, I'll say again, INFJ (and I'm more than willing to repeat what happened on mbtibase). 1w2 seems reasonable.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/10 (Sun) 10:06:49 #1160
i agree w you though but I've made like shitload of arguments for that already

Editing post #1160 by Teru Mikami <p>i agree w you though but I've made like shitload of arguments for that already </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/10 (Sun) 10:05:19 #1159
wow I'm sure glad there's always some greasy self-proclaimed skeptic kid to do all the thinking for me

Editing post #1159 by Teru Mikami <p>wow I'm sure glad there's always some greasy self-proclaimed skeptic kid to do all the thinking for me</p>
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Diobono int 5w4 ili 2018/06/10 (Sun) 07:29:11 #1157
meant te=inductive*

Editing post #1157 by Diobono <p>meant te=inductive*</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/09 (Sat) 23:24:56 #1146
	:p

Editing post #1146 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>:p</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 19:09:54 #1143
im not doing any of what i said what even are you on about

Editing post #1143 by Teru Mikami <p>im not doing any of what i said what even are you on about</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/09 (Sat) 18:35:06 #1142
	Oh, you do know? You're just not very self-aware then, I see. Work on that, good thing you caught it while you were young. Don't make the same mistakes as me.

Editing post #1142 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>Oh, you do know? You're just not very self-aware then, I see. Work on that, good thing you caught it while you were young. Don't make the same mistakes as me.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 18:25:28 #1141
wow psychology's not a hard science i bet nobody knew that, let's argue jungian functions but bring in other stacks and theories that originated to explain personality disorders so i can be told im right (in a system i dont believe in btw im above all that)

Editing post #1141 by Teru Mikami <p>wow psychology's not a hard science i bet nobody knew that, let's argue jungian functions but bring in other stacks and theories that originated to explain personality disorders so i can be told im right (in a system i dont believe in btw im above all that)</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/09 (Sat) 18:11:31 #1139
	You can choose to not be pissed off. I'm not making anything up, I'm just saying, it's all made up. There's no evidence for any of it, it's all interepetation anyways.

Editing post #1139 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>You can choose to not be pissed off. I'm not making anything up, I'm just saying, it's all made up. There's no evidence for any of it, it's all interepetation anyways. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 18:05:57 #1138
why site's boring without the weirdly specific P-D users as posts

Editing post #1138 by Teru Mikami <p>why site's boring without the weirdly specific P-D users as posts </p>
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	Blank 2018/06/09 (Sat) 17:56:17 #1137
	I envy how you people don't find arguing as draining as I do.

Editing post #1137 by Blank <p>I envy how you people don't find arguing as draining as I do.</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 17:22:11 #1136
lvna's "weak on the 4" seems like more of a glorification of type 4 than an argument against him, what are your reasons @edza

Editing post #1136 by Teru Mikami <p>lvna's "weak on the 4" seems like more of a glorification of type 4 than an argument against him, what are your reasons @edza</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 17:19:52 #1135
first all you're doing is trying to get under my skin now you're admitting to making stuff up for what exactly? you're not even arguing anything, you're trying to disagree with me whichever way possible and failing fucking horribly

Editing post #1135 by Teru Mikami <p>first all you're doing is trying to get under my skin now you're admitting to making stuff up for what exactly? you're not even arguing anything, you're trying to disagree with me whichever way possible and failing fucking horribly</p>
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edza ENTJ 8w7 SLE 2018/06/09 (Sat) 16:51:29 #1133
lvna is right that he's weak on the 4. I do think he probably has 5w6 or 6w5 in his tritype but it's not as high as 1w2 or maybe even 3.

Editing post #1133 by edza <p>lvna is right that he's weak on the 4. I do think he probably has 5w6 or 6w5 in his tritype but it's not as high as 1w2 or maybe even 3.</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/09 (Sat) 16:24:42 #1132
	not just PerC but does it matter? I can make up whatever bullshit I want for any ssystem and it would be equally as valid. I can change the definitions for the letters if I so please

Editing post #1132 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>not just PerC but does it matter? I can make up whatever bullshit I want for any ssystem and it would be equally as valid. I can change the definitions for the letters if I so please</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 15:15:02 #1131
on PerC

Editing post #1131 by Teru Mikami <p>on PerC</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/09 (Sat) 15:04:27 #1130
	They are in function theory....

Editing post #1130 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>They are in function theory....</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/09 (Sat) 06:46:59 #1126
integration is part of the actual enneagram theory, loops aren't

Editing post #1126 by Teru Mikami <p>integration is part of the actual enneagram theory, loops aren't</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/08 (Fri) 19:49:18 #1124
	"are you on acid" liberal projection

Editing post #1124 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p> </p> <p>"are you on acid" liberal projection</p>
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	Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys INTP 5w4 2018/06/08 (Fri) 19:44:56 #1123
	I think if you're going to bring up bullshit like integration than it's fair play for anybody arguing that he's an INFJ that he's simply looping.

Editing post #1123 by Dollar Shave Club One Wipe Scottys <p>I think if you're going to bring up bullshit like integration than it's fair play for anybody arguing that he's an INFJ that he's simply looping.</p>
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	lvna 2018/06/08 (Fri) 18:19:20 #1122
	I will feel up the math equation all I want, while you analyze its indestructable truth. And no. But what a drug. I wonder what Peterson would have to say about it. Maybe something similar to what Sam Harris did :)

Editing post #1122 by lvna <p>I will feel up the math equation all I want, while you analyze its indestructable truth. And no. But what a drug. I wonder what Peterson would have to say about it. Maybe something similar to what Sam Harris did :)</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/08 (Fri) 18:16:24 #1121
and they're not unrelated but there's no point in using "vibes" when you're dealing with something that has predefined traits and criteria, "wow im rlly feeling this math equation" wont get you anywhere lmao

Editing post #1121 by Teru Mikami <p>and they're not unrelated but there's no point in using "vibes" when you're dealing with something that has predefined traits and criteria, "wow im rlly feeling this math equation" wont get you anywhere lmao</p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/08 (Fri) 18:12:11 #1120
are you on acid

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	lvna 2018/06/08 (Fri) 18:01:51 #1118
	Nice video of someone brooding about other people not accepting their moral worldview. Super personal emotional expression right there. You're just making him look more Kantian btw.

Editing post #1118 by lvna <p>Nice video of someone brooding about other people not accepting their moral worldview. Super <em>personal</em> emotional expression right there. You're just making him look more Kantian btw. </p>
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Teru Mikami 2018/06/08 (Fri) 17:34:28 #1117
Also: He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic. lmfao

Editing post #1117 by Teru Mikami <p>Also:</p> <p><em>He clearly blocks himself from indulging in his own emotions and his approach to knowledge is incredibly normalized and not creative or individualistic.</em></p> <p> </p> <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBm0ZUfe7I">lmfao</a></p>
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